I hereby declare "SharePoint Install Day" a resounding success.
And when I say "day" I mean a day. As in it took from 9:30 this morning until 4:15 this afternoon.
Too mentally drained to try and re-cap on what it took to get here. It's been a boring, boring day. Surprisingly error-free though.
Tomorrow is "SharePoint Play Day". Who knows what that might bring.
Written by Jake Howlett on Tue 22 Jun 2010
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But why go for Sharepoint 2007 ? Why not 2010 ?
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I'll be doing a 2010 install too shortly.
I'm starting with 2007 as I have a paid job to develop a SharePoint "app" and the client has SP 2007. I'm guessing it's not very backwards compatible.
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Nice one Jake.
Just let me thinking about Sharepoint v/s Domino (even some other development platform as well) on how do you get things done. I mean. If you want to show the Lotus Domino power just install the server, the clients and you could be up'n running with a working sample application in half a day. The same with LAMP (and the right framework). But it seems that with Sharepoint is not as happy as with the above. Too much to care about, strict HW requirements, some sw dependencies, etc.
Is there any awesome/incredible/cool feature that could you recommend instead of the other mentioned options? I know that the driver of your project is a customer that asked you to involve with it. But what is your closing statement for your start with it?.
.::AleX::.
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My closing statement for my start with it? Not sure what you mean exactly, but what it all boils down to is paying the bills. If SharePoint is the next big thing then I might be able to earn money at it. That's the driving factor behind this. Not a love of Microsoft.
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Jake
Having dabbled in Sharepoint myself I can't wait to here what you think of it (in terms of development and customisation). I'm betting that in a few days/weeks your opinion of Notes/Domino as a RAD application development platform will rise :-)
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Hmmm. So it takes about 7 hours to install Sharepoint? As opposed to about 30 mins for Domino (and have all the admin IDs created and basic features setup and running). So think so far the score is 1-nil to Domino. Let us know how the rest of the game goes please.
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That's a pretty good measuring stick for how much:
-project time to quote the customer
-cost to quote the customer
-vacation to plan to take afterward
relative to Domino project work.
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It might be unfair to say the SP install took all day, as the actual SP install was done in about half an hour. What took the time was getting the OS ready for the SQL Server install and other pre-requisites of SP.
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Jake, don´t feel bad , I installed the MS Developer DVD and it toke 12 half hours from time i pressed install until it said , Completed" on a fairly fast computer too. I can´t wait to hear more from you. Good Luck
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there should be some vhd out "soon" with 2010 final on so its should be alot faster to get from 0 to running
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A verion of SP 2010 VHD is here, which you can do the single server install (no mail automation) - from my quick reading:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=751fa0d1-356c-4002-9c60-d539896c66ce&displaylang=en
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In my experience, Sharepoint, or more specifically MOSS, bottom line, is very much more expensive to run than Domino. However, I would also suggest that they are not really comparible technologies.
With some reasonable SPAdmin skills, you can offer alot out-of-the-box. In the same way that you can with Domino (oh, yeah which also features a fully functional email system so no need for exchange etc....).
Just wait until the time comes to really customise SP, re the old requirement, make a notes app not look like notes. Just creating and deploying a theme is no mean feat. You then start getting into the realms of content place holders and master pages. Some of the data is retrieved from the disk instal on the SP server(s), some of it is from the content databases. Then there's webparts, which require considerable .Net skills. It all adds up to a much longer development life cycle.
As Jake said though, this is what the customers with the funds want. I have been looking into converting a quite complex Notes app into a SP equivalent and it's a very tricky business. I guess alot of organisations want to get into the "cloud computing" concept and SP 2010 combined with Office 2010 delivered through a browser will accomplish most of this.
There's a hell of alot of good blogs out there now for Sharepoint now though and the number of available books to talk you through serious SP development is slowly increasing. So the help is there...
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This happened about 5 years ago, so alot may have changed.
We had IBM try to sell us on Websphere/Eclipse and the like, that this was the future for web development. Trying to say that HATS wasn't screen scraping.
We already had IIS sites up and running, which took very little time. So we knew the benchmark for this. We tried, and had little success installing Websphere. So we told IBM, that they needed to show us how easy it was to install Websphere and all the components.
It took their IBM tech person 1.5 days to get it up and working. So, IBM also has it's items that take some time to install. Maybe it is more automated now, and better instructions. But that is what helped us go the way of Microsoft versus IBM.
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@Nick - you make a good point. which leads me to wonder - is it right to compare SharePoint and Domino? Would a better comparison be Websphere and SharePoint?
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I would welcome work days like yours. Working part-time from home ;-)
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