Buying Servers
Server are nothing more than trumped up PCs right? So why is buying one so much more of a hassle than getting yourself a desktop. I remember buying my xSeries from IBM about 3 years ago. It was a nightmare. The actual process of ordering wasn't that bad, but actually getting them delivered was another matter.
This memory and that fact that IBM don't even publish their server's prices online - forcing you to call a salesperson - put me off them even more. So, who to use? I wanted a reputable brand, but who else is there? Dell and Compaq are the only two I could think of and Compaq are now HP, whose image I don't really like the sound of. So Dell it was. Having bought from them before I expected it all to be fairly straightforward.
There website is ok. You can find a server - with their help if need be - and configure it to your needs, seeing the price updated as you do so. What you can't do is get any further than the shopping basket. You can add your server to a basket but you can't go any further! Instead there's a message telling you to call or email to carry on, because of "the nature of servers" they think it's best you discuss it with somebody. Nice maybe, annoying definitely.
So I emailed the address supplied. My message was to the point - "I have a server in my basket and I want to buy it. How?". I supplied my phone number but heard nothing by noon the day after. So I called the number instead. It appeared to have connected me via two tins and a piece of string to India. A struggled conversation followed and he "put me through", only for the line to go dead. Normally this was the point where I'd give up, but I'd been sold on the idea of this particular server and it was too good a deal to pass up. So I called again. I went through the same procedure but this time I was given the option of leaving my name and number for a call back. I'm glad I did as the conversation that followed lasted a good 30 minutes!
Bryn from Dell started by asking the usual stuff - how many employees do you have etc etc - but soon realised I wasn't worth the sales patter. So he asked what it was I wanted and I told him it was in my basket and did he want the basket ID and memorable word so he could use their Retrieve Basket function. Apparently the system wouldn't let him do that. Strange. So we start going through this whole "Are you looking at this page?", "Click on that link", "Choose an extra hard drive" nonsense. We end up with completely different prices at the end and he suddenly explains he's thought of a way round the Retrieve Basket problem and asks for my ID. Before long we are both looking at the same product. He then reads through the spec. twice to check it's the right one. He then asks for my email address so he can mail me a quote for my approval. I then wait half an hour and it arrives. I then have to reply to this quote with the words "Please progress this quote to an order". Another half hour later I receive the order confirmation with an estimated delivery date.
While I was on the phone with Bryn I mentioned that this was the strangest system I'd ever seen. It was just a passing comment. What's the point of trying to cause trouble with them? Bryn said nothing but I guess he agrees. The sad thing is that I half expect this kind of nonsense when I order kit like this. Now I just hope it does turn up and on time...
I don't know - that borders on criminally insane. It seems to me very misleading to even have a shopping basket if it can't be processed electronically. I would have given up and gone to Microcenter to buy parts... but then I wouldn't have that sleek little server you've picked out.
I bought a server from Dell 3 years ago. It was so late being delivered when I complained they threw in another one, albeit a small low spec machine. Talk about being wrong footed.
I bought my "refurbished" xSeries from ubid.com. In fact, I purchased a refurb'ed IBM p260 monitor and the xSeries. In both cases the products arrived looking quite brand new. In fact, I was still working at IBM when I bought the p260 and I paid several hundred dollars less than the employee purchase price.
Of course, it all boils down to how much risk you are willing to accept.
Sorry. In fact, I guess its apparent that I didn't proofread ;-)
I had a "Dell Experience" just yesterday. Wanted to find out the Australian release date of the new Axim X50 which wasn't mentioned on dell.com.au so I called the number. I was put through to, presumably, the same Indian call centre and after spelling my name for about 15 minutes (It's a Polish name with lots of Zs and a ski) I got transferred to a sales droid with a heavy Indian accent called "Peter". It took another few minutes to explain I just wanted to know the release date of this product. Phew. Outsourcing call centres = teh sucks.
Speaking of outsourced call centers... I had the misfortune of IBM routing my recent passport support call to someone I couldn't understand. Funny how the price of our support contract hasn't gone down to reflect the lower cost of doing business.
There are few things more annoying than having an urgent technical problem and not being able to communicate with the person who is being paid to help you!
Oh, okay... there are plenty of things more annoying... like thos M$ zealots.
I've been buying from Dell for a few years and never have had the problem you (and a number of other people) described. I guess being a corporate customer spending in excess of $100K a year with them has its perks. If you need anything in the future shoot me an e-mail and I'll put you in touch with my Dell rep. :)
Take my advice : stay away from Dell.
Our company ordered two Dell workstations once. It took about 4 to 5 months (!) before they were delivered.
We completed the order via the web, after three weeks we received an e-mail that our company was not financially stable enough and they blocked the tranaction.
Small detail : Our company has a profit of millions of euros every year !
After a while they admitted they were looking at the wrong numbers.
Afer a few others problems (ex : our account manager could never be reached by phone. E-mails stayed unanswered).
We ordered those workstations in December 2003. They finally arrived in April 2004.
Since then, we swore never to buy from Dell again...
Jeroen
I called my bank in UK from India. I was routed back to a call center in India. Hows that for outsourcing? I was asked to spell the branch name. The only good thing about the call was, I never had to spell my Indian name for them.
Took me 15 minutes to explain my case and only took 3 minutes to get a resolution. Call centers are big in India at this moment. I can share your pain but its making lot of indian happy on the brighter side -:).
I recently had to RMA a Netgear router. I spend around 40 mins on the phone to someone who could barely speak English trying to to ascertain that the router was dead. I reckon if I had spoken to a reasonably techie person with good spoken english the call would have lasted 5 mins, no more.
So, I get pi**ed off and the call takes 8 times longer than it should. Is outsourcing 8 times cheaper?
Personally I won't speak to an Indian call centre anymore. They are a complete waste of time.
I called Netgear Support the other month and was relived to speak to a French man!